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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_biz2011-08-13 01:36 am
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Brainstorming: what else would you like to be able to post on DW?

So, Mark's been working on the backend for our eventual photo/image hosting offering, and soon it will be time to create the frontend. (Which, as any backend programmer will tell you, is totally the not-fun part, and as any frontend programmer will tell you, is totally the fun part.) As we've been thinking about the design of how we should allow uploads and how we should handle the resulting photos, we've both started thinking that we could do some really awesome things with making images in your space function like entry-like objects, instead of the nearly-entirely-disconnected things they are in LJ's Scrapbook.

So, for instance, in addition to specifying security, you might also choose to allow commenting directly on the image, manage the comments on the image (screening, deleting, freezing, etc), send the image directly to your journal's front page (only if you wanted to, of course!) and have it appear on your readers' reading pages, tag it (and have it appear in your journal when people view that particular tag's list of uses) -- things like that. (I know people will be tempted to ask questions and offer suggestions at this point, but please, hold them -- we'll be coming back to y'all once we have a more firm idea of how we're going to handle things, preferably with things like sketches and workflows and the like for you to give specific opinions on.)

But, my point in posting here was, I got to thinking about other things that might be able to work the same way. And then I started thinking: what if we hooked the concept of advanced reading filters into this concept? Imagine how awesome it would be, for instance, if Alice could bundle together all her Twitter updates or Twitter import posts into one type of update, and Bob, who loves the essays Alice writes but thinks Twitter updates should die a firey death, could set his subscription options to "show me everything from Alice except twitter imports". Or, say Charlie posts gorgeous photos that Donna loves, but hir entries are all about a fandom or hobby Donna doesn't share and is actively repulsed by: Donna could only subscribe to Charlie's photos. Or say that Eva is an mp3 blogger who posts five awesome tracks per day and lovely analytical essays about why she chose those tracks and what they mean to her, but in between the mp3s and the essays, she also giant photos consisting of the album cover art for the tracks she's posting, and Fred (the poor guy) is still on dialup, or is usually surfing from his phone, and downloading huge images is a pain: Fred could subscribe to everything in Eva's account but the images.

I'm totally thinking out loud here -- this is the kind of idea we've been tossing back and forth for a few weeks -- but one thing became clear: once we started thinking of the possibility, we realized there were potentially all kinds of things people might want to include in their DW accounts that aren't "entries", so to speak, but are still some form of content that people might want to share. I started making my own list, and then I thought, you know, some of these "object types" will be more popular than others, and I'd like to know a rough shakedown on how popular those things will be before we even get to the design phase. (As any good programmer knows, it's best to have a full spec at the very latest before you start designing the interface, or else you'll make bad interface design choices.)

So, behind this cut is a poll. The checkboxes for each question are all the things I could think of off the top of my head that somebody might want to put in their DW account (with some help from the #dreamwidth irc channel!) There are four questions:

* Which of these things would you possibly be interested in posting in your own DW account?

* Which of these things would you absolutely not be interested in posting to your DW account?

* Which of these things would you be interested in reading from somebody on your reading page? (Assume the person posting it is at least a friendly acquaintance, and the quality of whatever thing we're talking about is high: gorgeous photos, music that exactly fits your interests, etc.)

* Which of these things would you absolutely not want to see from someone on your reading page? (This is the type-of-content you would want to automatically filter out whenever subscribing to somebody new.) Again, assume the person posting is at least a friendly acquaintance, and the quality of whatever thing is high.

Each question has a "something else, see comments" tickbox. If you tick the tickbox, please leave a comment with two pieces of information:

* The type of content you have in mind that I haven't thought of yet;

* Which of the categories the content belongs in. (There should be two answers there: whether you'd be interested in posting it, and whether you'd be interested in reading it. Please answer both!)

I'm experimenting with anonymous polling, so while everyone will be able to see your votes, nobody will be able to see who you are. In other words, each poll response will appear to come from an anonymous user, but you'll be able to see that anonymous user #1 voted for 3, 5, 8, and 9, while anonymous user #2 voted for 1, 2, 5, and 7.


This poll is anonymous.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 254

I am taking this poll:

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Yes, I am!
228 (100.0%)

Things I would be interested in easily posting to my DW account:

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Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
84 (33.5%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
132 (52.6%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
171 (68.1%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
223 (88.8%)

Videos hosted on another site
140 (55.8%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
110 (43.8%)

Audio files hosted on another site
108 (43.0%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
133 (53.0%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
82 (32.7%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
28 (11.2%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
49 (19.5%)

.pdf files
104 (41.4%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
89 (35.5%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
158 (62.9%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
11 (4.4%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
122 (48.6%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
133 (53.0%)

Something else (explain in comments)
13 (5.2%)

Things I would not be interested in posting to my DW account:

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Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
105 (48.6%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
52 (24.1%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
7 (3.2%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
5 (2.3%)

Videos hosted on another site
14 (6.5%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
32 (14.8%)

Audio files hosted on another site
19 (8.8%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
28 (13.0%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
76 (35.2%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
107 (49.5%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
94 (43.5%)

.pdf files
43 (19.9%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
48 (22.2%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
18 (8.3%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
173 (80.1%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
48 (22.2%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
49 (22.7%)

Something else (explain in comments)
3 (1.4%)

Things I would like to read or see from people I subscribe to on Dreamwidth:

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Longer entries (more than a few paragraphs)
220 (90.9%)

Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
91 (37.6%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
177 (73.1%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
197 (81.4%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
213 (88.0%)

Videos hosted on another site
173 (71.5%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
180 (74.4%)

Audio files hosted on another site
164 (67.8%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
174 (71.9%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
97 (40.1%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
59 (24.4%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
70 (28.9%)

.pdf files
110 (45.5%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
130 (53.7%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
168 (69.4%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
36 (14.9%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
115 (47.5%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
91 (37.6%)

Something else (explain in comments)
14 (5.8%)

Things I would likely filter out if people I subscribed to posted on Dreamwidth:

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Longer entries (more than a few paragraphs)
7 (3.3%)

Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
119 (56.4%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
16 (7.6%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
9 (4.3%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
9 (4.3%)

Videos hosted on another site
22 (10.4%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
16 (7.6%)

Audio files hosted on another site
12 (5.7%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
11 (5.2%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
47 (22.3%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
71 (33.6%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
62 (29.4%)

.pdf files
27 (12.8%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
26 (12.3%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
15 (7.1%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
164 (77.7%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
74 (35.1%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
90 (42.7%)

Something else (explain in comments)
7 (3.3%)

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2011-08-13 09:42 am (UTC)(link)
If someone's generating multiple small updates, I might prefer them in a collected form, to take up overall less physical and attention space on my reading list, particularly if I'm coming to it well after the fact.
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[personal profile] copracat 2011-08-13 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
I am so excited! I would be happy with something like I've got on LJ (in fact, it's the only reason I still have a paid LJ at the moment.) Of course I should have known you guys would plan for level:awesomecakes.

The thing I would like very much isn't about content. I would just love to be able to import my massive icon collection from LJ scrapbook. I could live with losing the gallery info, the tags, any meta info at all, but the reason I haven't exported them to any other service is that I can't find one that will do that. I have to save and re-upload every image. Bleh.

[personal profile] voldsom 2011-08-13 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
This is one of my issues as well. I'd love to be able to make lots of small entries or frequent annotations on occasion, particularly when turning over an idea or thinking things through, but I'd far rather see these consolidated into a collected form.
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[personal profile] sedge 2011-08-13 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
That's an interesting idea - could they maybe get appended to each other (for a certain period of time or something) and pop up to the top of the feed when updated?

(Does that make sense? I haven't had enough tea.)
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2011-08-13 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I think a magically-reappearing thing would make me stabby, if I were refreshing my reading page.
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[personal profile] sedge 2011-08-13 11:11 am (UTC)(link)
thinking about it some more, I can see how it would be irritating.
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[personal profile] pne 2011-08-13 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
+1

Automatically aggregating such smaller things posted within a given space of time seems like a good idea to me.
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[personal profile] justhuman 2011-08-13 11:58 am (UTC)(link)
This is probably straying from the topic, and I've been lazy about putting a suggestion together.

I would like to have an optional link formating that posts the description meta-data - similar to G+ and Facebook. But opposed to those services, I'd still like to retain the ability to post raw links or html code the link. I'm seeing a DW custom code to treat the link in a specific way.

I would find that really useful both for posting and reading. Sometimes, especially on the phone, I want to link a news article, but don't have the whatever it takes to thumb in a description. Likewise, I see other poster sometimes just post a link with maybe a "read this," leaving me the reader wondering if it's NSFW or potentially spam if their account has been hacked. If they had an easy option for attaching the meta data, it might not be so bare.

And have I mentioned lately how awesome you folks are for the thoughtful way you enhance the site - 'cause you are!
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[personal profile] jenlev 2011-08-13 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I would love to able to import my existing photo galleries from LJ as they are; by gallery, with titles etc. Not sure if technology supports such an action.....the thought of re-creating all those galleries by picking out the photos, saving them, then uploading them again makes me look for the nearest fainting couch. ;)
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2011-08-13 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
More photos would be great, but if I ruled the internets everyone would put the big ones, or multiples ones, BEHIND A CUT TAG OMG.

Except for the daily photos of jack and daniel, of course. :)

Also if I ruled the internet people wouldn't post in fonts that I can't change back to the font I like for my layout.

Hi!
Edited 2011-08-13 12:06 (UTC)
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[personal profile] vass 2011-08-13 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
You know about placeholder images, right? On DW and LJ, you can replace all photos on your reading/friends page with a little placeholder, which you click to view the image (or you can just open the link to that entry.) You can also specify if you want that for all images or just the large ones.

I have never had to see another fucking Dragon Cave egg since using that setting.
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[personal profile] boundbooks 2011-08-13 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I checked everything in "Things I would like to read or see from people I subscribe to on Dreamwidth," not because I have a burning desire to see all of those things for their own sake, but because I am sure that the people I subscribe to could do interesting things with those tools. So, the more tools they have, the better. :P

[personal profile] nubriema 2011-08-13 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I just read the entry, and did the poll (concerning things I'd read/filter out on my reading page: I think you can't necessarily make that a general question, at least not in my case, because I think it depends a lot on the specific content or person you're subscribing to.), and I gotta say that I find this development increasingly interesting - I like things to be in one place, one account, but multifunctional, and in my eyes the things your pondering about are really cool.

I'm especially giddy about the photo feature, because I've been wanting to make a photo blog for a while now, and was thinking about using WordPress for that, since they already have a photo hosting funtion, but the direction you're aiming at seems even more awesome.

I've been wondering about one thing, though, since the discussion about whether or not you should offer photo hosting on DW came up: will this feature be available to free account types, too, or only paid accounts? I'm guessing that with all the space you'd have to buy servers for, it's gonna be paid only, but I'd still like to know.

It's really sad that PayPal ditched you back then, since it was the only possibility for me to get a paid account, though I certainly hope that there will be a way sooner or later for me to reward you for your awesomeness. :)
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[personal profile] birguslatro 2011-08-13 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Something else: WebGL - to both post and view, of course. And no, I haven't a clue how you'd implement this, or even if it'd be possible. But as sure as night follows day, interactive 3D will come to blog posts some day.
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2011-08-13 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, I use that with one of my browsers, but you see, I don't want to disable all images. Only the big ones and the multiple ones, and especially the banners that break my layout.

Hence my princessy "if I ruled the net"

I also disable animation wherever possible.

I have such picky and impossible preferences, LOL.
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[personal profile] kareila 2011-08-13 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I would like to see daily or even weekly digests available for all types of content, regardless of length, and an option to select it on a user by user basis. There are some accounts I like (including comms and feeds) that I don't follow because they're just so high volume.

Being able to choose a content-based digest would be nice too, like one daily post containing all the music my friends posted that day or what have you.
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[personal profile] cheyinka 2011-08-13 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Mostly what I wouldn't want to see is autoplaying music or videos, or large files autoloading, but usually flashblock helps in that regard, and really, if someone else wants to have an entry full of that (or that is that), and it's not flashblock-blockable, that's when I bookmark that journal and take it off my reading list - I don't necessarily need the site saying no for me. :D
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[personal profile] haruka 2011-08-13 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd feel less fearful of photos and videos etc if they went behind some kind of 'auto-cut' ....
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[personal profile] zooey_glass 2011-08-13 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd love to be able to autopost something from the Archive of Our Own to Dreamwidth. A lot of that would be AO3's work, but since I think a few of us over there would find this quite a cool feature to offer I figured I'd mention it while you're asking. (Speaking very much on a personal basis here, not officially!)

[personal profile] voldsom 2011-08-13 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
This would be made of awesome. :)
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[personal profile] illariy 2011-08-13 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
To the last question:

* I'd like to not see location and things-done, to-do updates at all so would like to filter them out
* sometimes I browse DW from my rather simple phone and would like to create a filter that excludes the large file sizes like video or audio and the stuff that wouldn't be fun on the phone anyway, like spreadsheets, ebooks and stuff. I'd check that out later on the computer, perhaps in another filter that only shows me "the media" I haven't already seen on the phone-filter.

Overall, I really love the idea of a wide array of file types to be posted on DW. Stuff like podcasting, beta-ing with a DW-hosted file, sharing research results or coordinating events with spreadsheets,... *beams*
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[personal profile] stormy 2011-08-13 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
The reason I would probably not subscribe to Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter) is because it would be annoying to see so many single or double line entries with the fervor that twitter is updated with.

If they were in collected form, it would be fine on my circle, but I also feel that this is a prime candidate of something that could be worked into the profile - showing the last update with privacy settings the same as an entry on a field in your profile, and clicking on the header for that taking you to a backlog of all the small status updates.


As far as Bookmarks or collections of links - I really love the way Google+ handled it before I deleted my account with them. If you entered a link into the entry, it auto-populated the entry with a small blurb and image of the site or company you were linking. It was fantastic. It made sharing even a single link feel like there was some content behind it.
Edited 2011-08-13 14:32 (UTC)
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2011-08-13 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
+1
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2011-08-13 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
An autopost when one has added or updated a story would be great! But I agree, that would have to be done at AO3's end, I think.
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2011-08-13 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
The difficulty with that is how fine-grained should it be? I've noticed that with Twitter aggregates, they're collected daily at the end of the day, by which time they are mainly confusing and irrelevant, especially if the person has already made a proper post about the events that caused the twits.

Then again, I've yet to come across anyone who likes reading Twitter updates on a journal - if they like Twitter updates they usually subscribe to Twitter directly.
Edited (typo) 2011-08-13 14:52 (UTC)

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