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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_biz2010-03-23 11:18 pm

Restocking the War Chest

As discussed in this week's [site community profile] dw_news announcement, the last three months of lowered income has done a lot to deplete our "war chest" -- the amount of money we keep in reserve to cover our future operating expenses. We'd already been running in the red from month to month, and the past few months have seen some additional expenses over and above the usual.

So, we're looking to run a DW fundraiser, once the credit card payment system is up and running again, to 'repay' the reserves that we've had to tap into over these past few months. It costs us around $10,000 a month for operating costs + what we pay ourselves (and we really don't pay ourselves much -- thank God for spouses with day jobs and the willingness to let us follow our dreams), and we've had some pretty big one-time expenses since the beginning of the year, including the tax bill being due. (We had money set aside for it, but let me just say, ouch.) With credit card payments, we were taking in about $6,000 a month, and we obviously hope that we can get out of the red, month-to-month, sometime soon!

In order to repay what we've had to raid the piggy bank for since the beginning of the year, our target goal is to raise $50,000 in the month of April. In order to repay the piggy bank and be able to support the kind of expansion, marketing, and improvements we'd like to do for the rest of the year, our pie-in-the-sky fundraising goal is $100,000 -- it's a bit of a stretch, but since we know a lot of paid accounts are set to expire on the one-year anniversary of open beta (5/1), we think it's totally doable if we hustle.

We haven't decided exactly what form that fundraiser might take, though, so we thought we'd put it up for discussion. Each of the plans we've been able to think of so far have pros and cons, and we'd like to make sure we hear everyone's thoughts before we make a decision.

One possibility is to sell another batch of seed (permanent) accounts. We said that we weren't going to do it again, since permanent account revenue is good in the short term but not so good (for you or for us) in the long term, but many people have asked us if seed accounts will ever be available for sale again, since they missed the first sale or weren't yet Dreamwidth members, and we think there'd be enough interest to support another sale. (Like the last time, seed accounts would sell for $200, and we would only place a limited number, probably 200-300, on sale.) We're really hesitant about doing that, though, because we told you guys that we weren't going to do it again except in dire emergency, and this isn't dire emergency -- we don't want to go back on what we said.

Another possibility is to do a paid account special sale -- along the lines of the December holiday promotion, where buying 6 months of time for someone else would give you 2 months for your own account, but not necessarily exactly that. (Details of what exactly the sale would consist of could be totally up for discussion.) The advantage of that would be that we wouldn't have to do something we said we wouldn't do (offering seed accounts for sale again), and we'd be able to design the sale to be as attractive as possible, to give people a chance to support Dreamwidth at any financial commitment level and get a bargain in the process. (We know that $200 is a lot to ask from people!) The disadvantage is that whatever promotion we come up with might be hard to distinguish from the changes to the paid account/credit system, which might make adopting the credit system more confusing, plus it might be hard to find an incentive that would encourage people to buy paid time credits.

A third possibility is to run some sort of unofficial Dreamwidth fundraiser, where individual people would offer up goods/services/what-have-you in exchange for DW credits, once we have the credit system going. The advantage of this would be that it might get people used to using the credit system, while the disadvantage would be the amount of overhead it would require -- it would have to be something unofficial, since we don't have the resources necessary to handle disputes or conflicts, and it might wind up with things going really wrong when people can't or don't deliver on what they promised. Also, this is the kind of model that's usually used on Dreamwidth and LiveJournal for charity fundraising, and Dreamwidth isn't a charity -- it might be weird, and we don't want to devalue the important charity fundraising work that people do.

So, there are advantages and disadvantages to each option (and there's nothing saying we can't do a mix of any/all of the above, as well as things we might not have thought of yet). We want to throw the question open to the floor, though, and see if people have perspectives and ideas that we haven't thought of:

* Which of the options do you prefer?
* Do you have any other ideas that might help us reach our sales goals?
* What kind of sale would inspire you to buy DW credit?

(One thing we're not looking for, for this post at least, is feedback on what kind of features and benefits would make paid accounts more appealing to you. We know there are a lot of things we can do there -- we've got a list of them scheduled for the rest of the year -- but they take more senior-developer time and effort than we have to schedule right now. Later on in the year, we'll revisit the question of paid account features and how we can improve them!)
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[personal profile] par_avion 2010-03-25 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Before my fannish interaction moved to LJ in 2003, I was heavily involved at MBTV/TWOP. At one point the site was about to shut down, finances were not great, and they instituted some things that let us help the site.

One was what they literally called the "Overpriced Donation Sticker" which you could purchase at their CafePress store. There were legal complications with the users just giving the site money, since they were not a charity. And the profit margin on the regular Cafe Press goods wasn't fantastic (that's why they later moved the T-Shirt business in-house.) But if what you really wanted to do was throw money at the site you could buy an oval sticker for $10 or $20. The value of the sticker was low and shipping also low (even int'l), because it arrived in an envelope. So the site ended up with most of the money.

Limited-time swag that has to be ordered by a certain date is one way to motivate people to buy it now. Although I think TWOP started doing that because in some cases they were handling packaging and shipping themselves.

As far as swag goes, I've really liked the ceramic mugs I've gotten from CafePress (for TWOP and VividCon). And if you do a travel-mug (I like those too!) please get one that actually has a water-tight seal.

The other thing that TWOP did was letting users buy time for the banners on the forum pages. (You supplied the art in the specified format.) They could pick the specific day, which was good for things like promoting the fact that Farscape was starting in re-runs, or running a "thanks for the memories" banner the day of the BtVS finale. It also resulted in what was referred to as the most expensive flame war ever (since the banners were $50 or $100 a day.) What outsiders didn't necessarily get is that we were just coming up with fun ways to throw money at the site, because we were trying to keep it going.

I'm not exactly sure how to implement the user banner concept here. I mean, obviously there are no ads here. But, hmm, a community? dw_market? Where users could opt-in to watch the comm. And members could pay X to have a post appear there to advertise to the other members? (New book, come to my convention, join my community, congratulations to X, come to our meet-up). And there would only be one post per day, and you could choose the specific day you wanted your announcement to run, if that mattered to you? (Season finale of SPN is tonight!)

Seed accounts: I don't think you guys said NEVER AGAIN. So I don't think that offering them again breaks a promise. You did say it wasn't something you planned to do again, but you also didn't plan to have so many disruptions to the CC system. (And also, the disruptions were not due to your incompetence, or a neutral cause, but by active malice on the part of others against the site.) If you decide to do it, I suggest announcing it fairly well in advance so that people can budget the money. And also selling .5X at Time1 and .5X at Time2 because of time zones.

(Also, the site isn't in beta anymore, it is has more feature! I also don't see a reason why the price couldn't be a bit higher than it was last time.)

Some people (like me) take a lot of comfort in knowing that their account is Permanent/Seed. It's really not just a money-saving over time/supporting the site thing, *I* feel more secure. The suggestion above about offering people the option to pay for 2 years at a time might be welcome by many people (with or without a slight discount), and might be a way to take in more money now w/o cannibalizing your long-term funds.

PS - For some reason I find the gift a random user thing creepy. I'd be much happier gifting a random community.
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[personal profile] par_avion 2010-03-25 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
This is a great idea! I'm going to use it at [community profile] vidding.
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[personal profile] sara 2010-03-25 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
...if you decide you want to register a 501(c)3, you know someone who's done the paperwork. *cough*
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[personal profile] moonfire 2010-03-25 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Swag, real or virtual has no attraction. I have no one else to buy account time for, and spending my money, I'd like to be sure the beneficiary of it respects my values. I note usually the most vocal people against selling more seed accounts are ones that already have them (don't let more people get my goodies). You state you're in the red month to month, for several months, at least 3. Over one quarter of sustained loss, an unexpected blockage of $20k+ of revenue from the loss of CCA, plus some large capital expenses, are what I would consider pretty dire, if it cuts severely enough into operating and reserve capital.
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[staff profile] mark 2010-03-25 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
That's a secret goal of mine. I'm hoping, but I don't know if it'll happen. Depends on a lot of things, like successfully getting the new payment options rolled out.

But as soon as I do, it's back to CSRP for me.
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[personal profile] auguris 2010-03-25 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Just throwing in my agreement for option 2 and swag. I'd love to have a DW swirl sticker on my laptop. :)
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[personal profile] cesy 2010-03-25 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
I'm against selling more seed accounts and I don't have one. I deliberately didn't get one because I want to support the site long-term, not just for a couple of years. All the reasons that seed accounts are bad for long-term health still stand.
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[personal profile] kerravonsen 2010-03-25 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
Me three! Er, me four!
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[personal profile] blnchflr 2010-03-25 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
+1
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[personal profile] yvi 2010-03-25 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
GoMarkGoMarkGoMarkGoMarkGoMarkGoMarkGoMark!
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2010-03-25 08:22 am (UTC)(link)
Shish Boom Bah! *waves pom-poms*
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[personal profile] cesy 2010-03-25 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that sounds very cool :)
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About that swag

[personal profile] red_trillium 2010-03-25 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
It's late and I'm tired but have had this open to comment & it's bothering me! I'd be into some swag depending on what you end up with.

And a swag suggestion: I have a shop at www.cafepress.com. I haven't done all the search engine optimisation I need to & am still working on it, but it's earned me a few dollars. I think something like that for DW with the official logo as well as some Dreamsheep would be great. You'd want to use caution choosing what Dreamsheep to ensure no copyright issues are breached (so no Harry Potter logos say but perhaps Harry Potter-ish sheep might be ok??) but even some of the generic Dreamsheep would be nice. I know you'd have to work out licensing from the people who made them but I think you've got that sorted with the general licensing agreement??

Overall I've had good results with Cafe Press. Images have to be sized for different products but there are some overlaps. I'd also suggest going the way of a paid Premium shop so you aren't limited in how many types of products you can add. They have a fair bit: cards, stickers, bumper stickers, tshirts, mugs, tiles, magnets, bags, baby clothes, bears.......etc so a lot of choice. You get to choose your mark up (which becomes your profit) BUT if someone searches their marketplace you will get their pre-set market rates, not your mark up (shouldn't be a problem for you guys if you are directing people there from the site directly). And the bonus is you don't have to buy/ship/store anything. It's all done by Cafe Press.

I've had my shop for over a year. I'm not 100% up on all the ins and outs but am happy to answer questions if this is something you consider.
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[personal profile] liv 2010-03-25 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much for this, Fey, I really appreciate how on the ball you are about these issues. I do take the point that DW doesn't have VC to worry about; that's in fact one of the reasons why I cast my lot in with DW in the first place. I really liked the idea that they weren't trying to make megabucks, but just enough to keep the site going and pay a few employees. The trouble is that at the moment it sounds like they're not even managing to break even, even with their relatively small scale ambitions, and that worries me.

And ok, sure, you can point to other sites that lose money, but the thing is that if Tumblr goes under, well, I'll just stop using Tumblr as a link blog and incorporate those quick, off-the-cuff posts into my DW blogging or find some other alternative. I have been regarding Twitter as a pure bubble financially for a while, and I'd miss it if it died or became unusable, but eh.

The difference with Dreamwidth is that I'm very heavily committed here. I'd like some return on my investment, not the money so much because I knew when I spent it that I was gambling on promoting a site I believed in. But the time and energy and the friction created within my social circle when I left LJ, I would be devastated if it turned out that I was pouring all that into a bottomless pit. If DW died, or got sold out to something like 6Apart, I'd have nowhere to go except back to LJ (which I agree doesn't look financially promising itself). And since I basically can't bear LJ any more, that would mean losing a devastatingly huge chunk of my online social life and intellectual stimulation. I'm afraid of that, not because I want to nitpick and criticize Dreamwidth, but because I really really don't want it to happen.
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[personal profile] liv 2010-03-25 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
Adding to the cheerleading crowd! I want this feature sososososo much.
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[staff profile] mark 2010-03-25 10:40 am (UTC)(link)
Dreamwidth is profitable (when the payment system is up) where it technically matters: on the server hosting -- on our non-people bills.

So, we're not going to go offline.

If I have to go back to work at another company and we can't pay anybody anymore, that's life, we'll just take it as it happens. But I'd rather not get to that point. :-)
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[personal profile] shanaqui 2010-03-25 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
But it's money in exchange for a service, which will be used to deal with the cost of, say, someone using all the extra icons, not 'you are an awesome company, here is my money which you may use for anything'.

Not that I can give you money in any way, ordinarily, even when you have the payments back up, since my only card is a Maestro, and I don't live with anyone who has a credit card, most of the time. Sigh.
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[personal profile] cesy 2010-03-25 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
But that's more useful to DW in the long term, because they may continue to pay for their account, so it's a gift that keeps on giving, rather than a one-off donation to the company.
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[personal profile] shanaqui 2010-03-25 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I guess I'm just wishing that there was a way I could actually donate to Dreamwidth in any way, shape or form, with any kind of convenience. But there ain't.
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[personal profile] sofiaviolet 2010-03-25 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
:D
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[personal profile] sofiaviolet 2010-03-25 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I would pay for that. Partly because I want to help test stuff, partly because I want to know about new features and how they work so I can promote them as soon as they're live. ;)

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