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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_biz2011-08-13 01:36 am
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Brainstorming: what else would you like to be able to post on DW?

So, Mark's been working on the backend for our eventual photo/image hosting offering, and soon it will be time to create the frontend. (Which, as any backend programmer will tell you, is totally the not-fun part, and as any frontend programmer will tell you, is totally the fun part.) As we've been thinking about the design of how we should allow uploads and how we should handle the resulting photos, we've both started thinking that we could do some really awesome things with making images in your space function like entry-like objects, instead of the nearly-entirely-disconnected things they are in LJ's Scrapbook.

So, for instance, in addition to specifying security, you might also choose to allow commenting directly on the image, manage the comments on the image (screening, deleting, freezing, etc), send the image directly to your journal's front page (only if you wanted to, of course!) and have it appear on your readers' reading pages, tag it (and have it appear in your journal when people view that particular tag's list of uses) -- things like that. (I know people will be tempted to ask questions and offer suggestions at this point, but please, hold them -- we'll be coming back to y'all once we have a more firm idea of how we're going to handle things, preferably with things like sketches and workflows and the like for you to give specific opinions on.)

But, my point in posting here was, I got to thinking about other things that might be able to work the same way. And then I started thinking: what if we hooked the concept of advanced reading filters into this concept? Imagine how awesome it would be, for instance, if Alice could bundle together all her Twitter updates or Twitter import posts into one type of update, and Bob, who loves the essays Alice writes but thinks Twitter updates should die a firey death, could set his subscription options to "show me everything from Alice except twitter imports". Or, say Charlie posts gorgeous photos that Donna loves, but hir entries are all about a fandom or hobby Donna doesn't share and is actively repulsed by: Donna could only subscribe to Charlie's photos. Or say that Eva is an mp3 blogger who posts five awesome tracks per day and lovely analytical essays about why she chose those tracks and what they mean to her, but in between the mp3s and the essays, she also giant photos consisting of the album cover art for the tracks she's posting, and Fred (the poor guy) is still on dialup, or is usually surfing from his phone, and downloading huge images is a pain: Fred could subscribe to everything in Eva's account but the images.

I'm totally thinking out loud here -- this is the kind of idea we've been tossing back and forth for a few weeks -- but one thing became clear: once we started thinking of the possibility, we realized there were potentially all kinds of things people might want to include in their DW accounts that aren't "entries", so to speak, but are still some form of content that people might want to share. I started making my own list, and then I thought, you know, some of these "object types" will be more popular than others, and I'd like to know a rough shakedown on how popular those things will be before we even get to the design phase. (As any good programmer knows, it's best to have a full spec at the very latest before you start designing the interface, or else you'll make bad interface design choices.)

So, behind this cut is a poll. The checkboxes for each question are all the things I could think of off the top of my head that somebody might want to put in their DW account (with some help from the #dreamwidth irc channel!) There are four questions:

* Which of these things would you possibly be interested in posting in your own DW account?

* Which of these things would you absolutely not be interested in posting to your DW account?

* Which of these things would you be interested in reading from somebody on your reading page? (Assume the person posting it is at least a friendly acquaintance, and the quality of whatever thing we're talking about is high: gorgeous photos, music that exactly fits your interests, etc.)

* Which of these things would you absolutely not want to see from someone on your reading page? (This is the type-of-content you would want to automatically filter out whenever subscribing to somebody new.) Again, assume the person posting is at least a friendly acquaintance, and the quality of whatever thing is high.

Each question has a "something else, see comments" tickbox. If you tick the tickbox, please leave a comment with two pieces of information:

* The type of content you have in mind that I haven't thought of yet;

* Which of the categories the content belongs in. (There should be two answers there: whether you'd be interested in posting it, and whether you'd be interested in reading it. Please answer both!)

I'm experimenting with anonymous polling, so while everyone will be able to see your votes, nobody will be able to see who you are. In other words, each poll response will appear to come from an anonymous user, but you'll be able to see that anonymous user #1 voted for 3, 5, 8, and 9, while anonymous user #2 voted for 1, 2, 5, and 7.


This poll is anonymous.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 253

I am taking this poll:

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Yes, I am!
227 (100.0%)

Things I would be interested in easily posting to my DW account:

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Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
84 (33.6%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
131 (52.4%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
171 (68.4%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
222 (88.8%)

Videos hosted on another site
139 (55.6%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
110 (44.0%)

Audio files hosted on another site
107 (42.8%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
133 (53.2%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
82 (32.8%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
28 (11.2%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
49 (19.6%)

.pdf files
104 (41.6%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
89 (35.6%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
158 (63.2%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
11 (4.4%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
122 (48.8%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
133 (53.2%)

Something else (explain in comments)
13 (5.2%)

Things I would not be interested in posting to my DW account:

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Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
105 (48.8%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
52 (24.2%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
7 (3.3%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
5 (2.3%)

Videos hosted on another site
14 (6.5%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
32 (14.9%)

Audio files hosted on another site
19 (8.8%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
28 (13.0%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
75 (34.9%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
106 (49.3%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
93 (43.3%)

.pdf files
42 (19.5%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
47 (21.9%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
18 (8.4%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
172 (80.0%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
48 (22.3%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
49 (22.8%)

Something else (explain in comments)
3 (1.4%)

Things I would like to read or see from people I subscribe to on Dreamwidth:

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Longer entries (more than a few paragraphs)
219 (90.9%)

Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
90 (37.3%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
176 (73.0%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
196 (81.3%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
212 (88.0%)

Videos hosted on another site
172 (71.4%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
179 (74.3%)

Audio files hosted on another site
163 (67.6%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
173 (71.8%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
96 (39.8%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
59 (24.5%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
70 (29.0%)

.pdf files
110 (45.6%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
130 (53.9%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
167 (69.3%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
36 (14.9%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
115 (47.7%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
90 (37.3%)

Something else (explain in comments)
14 (5.8%)

Things I would likely filter out if people I subscribed to posted on Dreamwidth:

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Longer entries (more than a few paragraphs)
7 (3.3%)

Shorter entries/status updates (like Twitter)
119 (56.7%)

Photos directly from a cellphone camera
16 (7.6%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on an external site
9 (4.3%)

Photos from another source (via my computer), hosted on Dreamwidth
9 (4.3%)

Videos hosted on another site
22 (10.5%)

Videos hosted on Dreamwidth
16 (7.6%)

Audio files hosted on another site
12 (5.7%)

Audio files hosted on Dreamwidth
11 (5.2%)

Word processing document files (.doc, .docx, .rtf, etc)
46 (21.9%)

Slideshow documents (.ppt)
70 (33.3%)

Spreadsheets (.xls)
61 (29.0%)

.pdf files
27 (12.9%)

Ebook files (.epub, .mobi, etc)
26 (12.4%)

Bookmarks or collections of links
15 (7.1%)

Location checkins/records of your day (like Foursquare)
163 (77.6%)

Collections of things done (music tracks listened to, books read, movies watched, etc)
73 (34.8%)

To-do lists/checklists/shopping lists/etc
90 (42.9%)

Something else (explain in comments)
7 (3.3%)

ironed_orchid: pin up girl reading kant (Default)

[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2011-08-14 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm quite capable of writing short updates using the current format. I even do it from my phone.
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[personal profile] zvi 2011-08-14 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
I would be interested in both posting and viewing schedules. I'm thinking of all lengths: short term schedule, like "I plan to do this while I'm at this conference", medium term schedules, "During my four weeks of vacation, I will visit X city, this person, Z city, those two people, that museum that one day, etc. etc.", and longer-term/perpetual schedules, "This is my class schedule for the semester" or "This is the tv I'm watching for fall 2015."
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[personal profile] ursamajor 2011-08-17 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
Omigosh, this would rock. \o/
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[personal profile] vlion 2011-08-14 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
I am fundamentally uninterested in twitter-like social media funtionality, either as a producer or consumer. I feel very strongly it's the epitome of sound-byte talk. I like it as a mechanism for status updates (server down, roads closed), and that's it. I'd probably set it to perma-ignore on everyone if I could.

The TODO list stuff is something I would use. I would reckon about 1/4 of my posts are lists of thoughts.

I am a big audio & text-only media consumer. I don't watch videos unless pressured, and generally ignore multimedia posts.

What I really would like in content would be more long-form blog content.

[personal profile] swaldman 2011-08-14 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
Not sure if this is strictly relevant, but please consider the effect on people who read mostly by RSS - I wouldn't want Reading FIlters to become essential for not-being-flooded-with-tweets (or whatever), unless it was possible to similarly filter the RSS feeds.
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[personal profile] ariadneelda 2011-08-14 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG IMAGE HOSTING! YES PLEASE. I'd be thrilled to see this on DW (I've been hoping for it since the beginning!) even if it was exactly like LJ's Scrapbook. But all the extras sound awesome. :)

As do all the other things in the poll. I honestly don't know what I'd like to be posting/reading. I probably won't be using more than the image hosting, but I'd probably be interested in reading everything? Depends on the content. I would love the ability to filter out Twitter updates, though. As long as the filter doesn't confuse them with actual short journal entries.
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[personal profile] lassarina 2011-08-14 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm actually a pretty big fan of nearly all of these, but I would like to suggest that one could make a setting in one's account: when viewing, logged in, from a mobile browser (or always, the setting might be able to work both ways), please auto-cut X, Y, Z, and Z2 entry types in the same way that "adult content" stuff is currently cut if you're logged out or have this setting: you see the title, and then a "This is a photo/video/etc. post."

I say this because I vary my surfing--sometimes phone, sometimes computer, sometimes iPad, and rather than have a giant image break my layout (super pet peeve) or eat my mobile bandwidth, I could then use my choice (emailing links to myself if mobile, open in new tab if on PC) of methods to access that content at a more convenient time.
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[personal profile] rhi 2011-08-14 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
The folks I read are sufficiently interesting that yes, their to-do lists and 'this was my day' are frequently well worth reading. So in principle, I'd read any of that. ::shrugs:: If not, well, filters. And if I get a cellphone that takes good pictures, I'll be interesting in posting directly from it, so I clicked that, too. Good luck with this and glad to hear the picture interface is coming along well!
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[personal profile] montuos 2011-08-14 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I've ticked all the boxen for things I would post and things I would read because I am potentially interested in posting or reading any of those things. For instance, I don't have a data plan on my cellphone so I couldn't upload a photo directly right now if I tried, and there are a number of other things I'm just as unlikely to do for various and sundry reasons — but my reasons for not posting them currently could easily change in the future. I am also potentially interested in seeing all of those things from various and sundry friends, and am perfectly capable of scrolling past them if they don't catch my fickle fancy at the time.

The things I would want to filter out are huge files when I'm on a slower or bandwidth-limited connection (I wonder how do-able it would be to set that up as either a location- or hardware- or OS-specific filtering option?), and I'd want giant pics that could otherwise screw up my layout to go behind a cut.
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[personal profile] msilverstar 2011-08-15 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I would like the ability to filter by post type, so I could ignore location checkins or to-do lists but read status updates, or vice versa.
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[personal profile] rosebee 2011-08-15 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Twitter/foursquare type updates I would only want to see/post if they were consolidated into one post per day.

Multiple little posts in one day would cause me to filter those things out.
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[personal profile] ajatshatru 2011-08-19 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I really really really Want to have a store for not too big audio files in DW. I have magpie robin stuff I recorded I really want to share.
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[personal profile] ciaan 2011-08-29 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
All the different file formats listed there are making me wonder if the files would be editable by other people, such as in google docs, and I'm hoping the answer is no.
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[personal profile] ossobuco 2012-01-07 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I would love the ability to post things like Word/Excel documents and preserve the formatting. I sometimes post fic (fan and original) to my journal, and minor differences in formatting between the entry editor and the original document (once MS Word; lately, OpenOffice) can be frustrating to work around.

I've seen some comments here about some sort of collective editing type thing, i.e. upload a document and allow multiple people to access/edit it. I think this is brilliant, and would be a huge boon to fandom/roleplaying/other creative communities, among others!
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[personal profile] ossobuco 2012-01-07 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
And as a general follow-up, I believe that almost all of the options presented in the poll would be useful/interesting to some users. For me, it depends vastly on who is posting and what my relationship to them is (i.e. are they a friend/neighbor/someone I see in person a lot and thus have a vested interest in their daily lives? are they a fanfic author that I love but maybe don't need to know when they check in at Starbucks?). So, I would be in support of basically all of them, BUT with the option to choose, individually (i.e. for each person in my circle), whether I see updates of a particular type from them.

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